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CptSolo
10-15-2012, 10:15 AM
Hi,

lets forget one moment about classes, cheaters and Silver&Smith SMG.
Instead, another attempt to fix a problem of Crimecraft which is a very polarizing one.

Knife Jump should become an ability

Why?
Knife jump is a thing most ppl I talk to just plain HATE. Its bugged, its undodgeable when laggers use it.
It deals insane amount of damage (with subsequent normal attack, up to 230 dmg in 1 second).
It looks awefull.
Its so freaking unrealistic (I thought russians know how knife combat works? :))
There is only an ability as 100% counter.

Why ability?
Since all my cries for a nerf or removal of this ridiculous ability remained unheard, I still think Knife Jump rework would make this game more attractive.
But removing it would also make many knife noobs cry and leave (no, learning to use knife is not so difficult. Its easy. Hard is knife vs knife only, but that is uncommon situation nowadays).

Making knife jump only available due to an ability slot could maybe fix the problem.
Other ppl would onle be able to use normal knife attack (80 dmg still nice, no?) and step-back-knife attack (barely used, 120 dmg).

Again, why?
Knife jump is easy.
It has ridiculous high range.
Its easy.
You can jump arround corners (!)
Its easy to learn and use.
It has nothing to do in an action shooter.
Its easy.
It has too high damage.

When it becomes an ability, the balance would be restored in my eyes.
Knife jump ability vs Electric Shield. Fair choice.

Oppinions please.

Gladjoltx2
10-15-2012, 10:47 AM
tl;dr (read first sentence)

use electric shield

tikulti
10-15-2012, 11:16 AM
I certainly hope your suggestions will remain unheard, knife jump is one of best things in game. Reliable source of relief from frustration of playing against some "pros" who can control some high recoil weapons, like they have no recoil...

If there should be a knife skill, it should be a knife upgrade skill alllowing to bypass ES, afterall everything should have a counter (including ES).

CptSolo
10-15-2012, 11:24 AM
I certainly hope your suggestions will remain unheard, knife jump is one of best things in game. Reliable source of relief from frustration of playing against some "pros" who can control some high recoil weapons, like they have no recoil...

If there should be a knife skill, it should be a knife upgrade skill alllowing to bypass ES, afterall everything should have a counter (including ES).

Glad to see there are other ppl than just Gladtrolls :)

Your idea sounds pretty fair. Let me add something to it.

1. Knife jump becomes a skill.
2. Knife JUMP AUG allows the knife to ignore Electric Shield STUN EFFECT but not the damage reduction. Drawback could be, that the knife jump has reduced damage also vs non-electric shield users.

3. I wont add anything to that "pro" argument with recoil weapons. Its another discussion, but the topic was closed by Morgot :)

With that changes, we would get both what we want.
- not everybody has knife jump anymore.
- Electric shield is not uncounterable anymore
- knife builds will return, but will still be not as hillarious as Bess/Jelly Joy age knifing.

OGNightHawk
10-15-2012, 12:41 PM
Get an electric shield.

I think the thing that bothers most knife haters is the feeling they have that bringing a knife to a gunfight should be a losing situation every time..... For those of you who have this belief

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU

Your Welcome Knife lovers!

Staine
10-15-2012, 01:32 PM
Dude, if you are a good knifer than you know how it works and you know that if you attack someone in a close fight don't come close, but in the opposite come far from him so he is not able to knife you. How about the classes that have a low damage? (like Kamikadze) so we should make him weaker and give him a special abillity to knife, because you are duying from those who love to jump. You seem crazy, you should have thought about this before you even start writing. KNIFE IS AWESOME. Another thing, what if someone has a lot of resistance or he is using skills like (forgot its name when you stand still and you have 80% resistance) so are you just going to stand and shoot him if you don't have a knife skill? Now do you understand how much knife influences that game, because knife is a contradictionary abillity to a lot of other abillities that make a crimecraft game interesting. Hope you will take this in mind next time you write something like "hey lets delete shock from the game, because I keep dying from it" or "lets make shift-running a skill, because when I use howl i can't follow some prank users".

CptSolo
10-15-2012, 01:39 PM
Get an electric shield.

I think the thing that bothers most knife haters is the feeling they have that bringing a knife to a gunfight should be a losing situation every time..... For those of you who have this belief

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU

Your Welcome Knife lovers!

Mythbusters.... you real?

I will just ignore that comment o_O

I dont mind melee mechanics beeing present in a shooter. I liked playing the Specialists, where Melee was quite a factor (mostly due bunny hopping exploit tho...). But even without you could dodge and attack with good effect.

BUT: when I compare all shooters, both action or realistic or semi like Day of Defeat, melee mechanics always were quite fun and suitable.
But in CrimeCraft melee mechanics are just a horror show. Its the worst animated/calculated feature ever in all games I played in 16 years. Really. I cant find anything as retarded :)

While back, I even suggested further melee weapon options for Crimecraft. Since its a post apocalyptic setting I guess melee weapons would always be a choice due to lack of ammo. But when it comes to gangs, melee weapons should not only be a choice for battle but also as a status symbol or to represent individual style.

Maybe you could add also different Melee weapons and styles for them. My suggestions back then ranged from katans over baseballclubs to chainsaws, vibro-weapons or even garottes, sledgehammers and Firefighter-axes.

Making the melee weapon a slot weapon could also solve the problem.

When u need to equip knife in light weapon slot, this would make a big difference.
Chainsaw in heavy weapons,
Katanas and such in medium weapons.

I would love that. And I think many other ppl too. Maybe all but the usual lamers :)

Staine
10-16-2012, 05:34 AM
Lamest post I've ever read. You make everything complicated. If you knew how to fight and get away from the knife you wouldn't write that because i wouldn't bother you. I bet you are a typical player with rating of 30 who tries to understand why he is so noob.

K3b0ardC0wb0y
10-16-2012, 06:34 AM
Mythbusters.... you real?

I will just ignore that comment o_O

I dont mind melee mechanics beeing present in a shooter. I liked playing the Specialists, where Melee was quite a factor (mostly due bunny hopping exploit tho...). But even without you could dodge and attack with good effect.

BUT: when I compare all shooters, both action or realistic or semi like Day of Defeat, melee mechanics always were quite fun and suitable.
But in CrimeCraft melee mechanics are just a horror show. Its the worst animated/calculated feature ever in all games I played in 16 years. Really. I cant find anything as retarded :)

While back, I even suggested further melee weapon options for Crimecraft. Since its a post apocalyptic setting I guess melee weapons would always be a choice due to lack of ammo. But when it comes to gangs, melee weapons should not only be a choice for battle but also as a status symbol or to represent individual style.

Maybe you could add also different Melee weapons and styles for them. My suggestions back then ranged from katans over baseballclubs to chainsaws, vibro-weapons or even garottes, sledgehammers and Firefighter-axes.

Making the melee weapon a slot weapon could also solve the problem.

When u need to equip knife in light weapon slot, this would make a big difference.
Chainsaw in heavy weapons,
Katanas and such in medium weapons.

I would love that. And I think many other ppl too. Maybe all but the usual lamers :)

I dig replacing the Light weapon slot for a Melee weapon hell I would do it. They had a similiar feature on another shooter I use to play. Honestly I would say remove the "knife" feature and just make it a stable weapon replacing the pistol/smg slot with a melee weapon such as a Knife, sword or lead p i p e. Nothing says I love you like bashing someone's head in with a lead p i p e!

UnclesScrewTape
10-16-2012, 06:49 PM
I love knifejump in this game, it is the great equalizer in the game where everyone bitches about equipment balance, etc. Electric shield is awesome, walking backwards whilst shooting also very helpful :D

NarCroMan
10-17-2012, 03:16 PM
I want an axe! Or anti-vampire stick

CptSolo
10-17-2012, 05:38 PM
I love knifejump in this game, it is the great equalizer in the game where everyone bitches about equipment balance, etc. Electric shield is awesome, walking backwards whilst shooting also very helpful :D

YOu know, I really gave up on suggesting to remove or nerf those ridiculous knife jump.
Instead I would like to make it less available, so ppl who like to noob-knife take the knife as an ability, what makes them less likely to troll arround with other abilites. Taking knifejump would weaken them in their build a bit.

Also my suggestion to make knife a slot weapon AND add more melee weapons sounds still awesome. I would totally support this idea even if it came from another person :)

And I think it would attract more ppl to the game, make build and ability combinations more complex and add a new dynamic to battles.

Just imagine a build with LS/Enhanced Endurance and Second chance, plus full defense boosts with damage reduction. A melee build with fun intended. And if knife jump would be changed/removed for that, I would not mind beeing owned even by a guy with Bess and a Chainsaw, just because its AWESOME and not freaking ret4rded sheet like "knife jump".

Solovey, how you came to the idea of a knife jump in the first place? I saw many fighting techniques already and also did some fencing with different medieval weapons. But even when I try to be very abstract, something like a knife jump, I can find nowhere.
Maybe you watched TROY? :) The Sword Jump of Achilles is quite fun, but based on complete different weapons and equip. (so it can work if the enemey is not expecting such thing ^^)

K3b0ardC0wb0y
10-18-2012, 01:42 AM
If they added melee weapons I would soooo have a custom "Ninja Profile" I would use a Katana and lets say for abilities Smoke, Ambush Tactics and Elect shield? Bahahaha would be fun as hell maybe not so competive but defiantly fun! Before you ask I would GB him to look like a ninja! lol