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Slayer2
02-04-2009, 11:51 AM
In 12sky1, the only thing that visually showed everyone who's the FL was the cape, which didn't differ much from the FLA capes either.

Dunno does MAYN have something on the works, but how about adding some kind of special effect for FL.
FL only armor, glow, buff or something, that seperates you from the masses.

And to let everyone know, FL = Faction Leader and FLA = Faction Leader Assistant.

night7scream2
02-04-2009, 12:56 PM
In 12sky1, the only thing that visually showed everyone who's the FL was the cape, which didn't differ much from the FLA capes either.

Dunno does MAYN have something on the works, but how about adding some kind of special effect for FL.
FL only armor, glow, buff or something, that seperates you from the masses.

And to let everyone know, FL = Faction Leader and FLA = Faction Leader Assistant.

FL fire eyes 8-)

dart142
02-04-2009, 02:22 PM
It would be nice to have powers like archlord's

Asasinul12
02-04-2009, 03:42 PM
In 12sky1, the only thing that visually showed everyone who's the FL was the cape, which didn't differ much from the FLA capes either.

Dunno does MAYN have something on the works, but how about adding some kind of special effect for FL.
FL only armor, glow, buff or something, that seperates you from the masses.

And to let everyone know, FL = Faction Leader and FLA = Faction Leader Assistant.

No and I disagree. Firstly, FL is not that important a position BUT if you have to vote for it, then those who voted know you already. This simply ties into ego, and the display of same. I do not like this idea or any other idea that promotes one individual above others. Maybe my point of view is left wing or socialist ;) but I say that there are not those who are more equal than others.

I don't like the idea, I say no, bad call, bad precedent, bad idea.

goldwyn20002
02-04-2009, 05:36 PM
In 12sky1, the only thing that visually showed everyone who's the FL was the cape, which didn't differ much from the FLA capes either.

Dunno does MAYN have something on the works, but how about adding some kind of special effect for FL.
FL only armor, glow, buff or something, that seperates you from the masses.

And to let everyone know, FL = Faction Leader and FLA = Faction Leader Assistant.

No and I disagree. Firstly, FL is not that important a position BUT if you have to vote for it, then those who voted know you already. This simply ties into ego, and the display of same. I do not like this idea or any other idea that promotes one individual above others. Maybe my point of view is left wing or socialist ;) but I say that there are not those who are more equal than others.

I don't like the idea, I say no, bad call, bad precedent, bad idea.

Totally agree...but ok i might be biased since I love animal farm.

Slayer2
02-04-2009, 05:52 PM
In 12sky1, the only thing that visually showed everyone who's the FL was the cape, which didn't differ much from the FLA capes either.

Dunno does MAYN have something on the works, but how about adding some kind of special effect for FL.
FL only armor, glow, buff or something, that seperates you from the masses.

And to let everyone know, FL = Faction Leader and FLA = Faction Leader Assistant.

No and I disagree. Firstly, FL is not that important a position BUT if you have to vote for it, then those who voted know you already. This simply ties into ego, and the display of same. I do not like this idea or any other idea that promotes one individual above others. Maybe my point of view is left wing or socialist ;) but I say that there are not those who are more equal than others.

I don't like the idea, I say no, bad call, bad precedent, bad idea.

How is FL not that important of a position ?
You're suppoused to be the leader of the whole faction, everyone looks up to you and always expects too much from the FL, sounds pretty important to me.
FL is the highest 'rank' you can achieve in the game and there's only one person to get that and in my opinion, something like this would give more appeal for the FL position.

To some people even getting the FL position might affect their ego, should it be stripped away for good then too ?
What matters is what's inside the players head, not how the character looks like, don't blame the effects, blame the player! :P

This is still a game, everyone is equal, just the characters that differs and of course, everyone likes seeing flashy things :P

And on a personal note, you saying that FL position ain't that important of a position, I take it as an insult.
If you only knew how exhausting it can get from time to time.

dofur2
02-04-2009, 05:55 PM
What matters is what's inside the players head, not how the character looks like

exactly.

Asasinul12
02-04-2009, 06:14 PM
In 12sky1, the only thing that visually showed everyone who's the FL was the cape, which didn't differ much from the FLA capes either.

Dunno does MAYN have something on the works, but how about adding some kind of special effect for FL.
FL only armor, glow, buff or something, that seperates you from the masses.

And to let everyone know, FL = Faction Leader and FLA = Faction Leader Assistant.

No and I disagree. Firstly, FL is not that important a position BUT if you have to vote for it, then those who voted know you already. This simply ties into ego, and the display of same. I do not like this idea or any other idea that promotes one individual above others. Maybe my point of view is left wing or socialist ;) but I say that there are not those who are more equal than others.

I don't like the idea, I say no, bad call, bad precedent, bad idea.

How is FL not that important of a position ?
You're suppoused to be the leader of the whole faction, everyone looks up to you and always expects too much from the FL, sounds pretty important to me.
FL is the highest 'rank' you can achieve in the game and there's only one person to get that and in my opinion, something like this would give more appeal for the FL position.

To some people even getting the FL position might affect their ego, should it be stripped away for good then too ?
What matters is what's inside the players head, not how the character looks like, don't blame the effects, blame the player! :P

This is still a game, everyone is equal, just the characters that differs and of course, everyone likes seeing flashy things :P

And on a personal note, you saying that FL position ain't that important of a position, I take it as an insult.
If you only knew how exhausting it can get from time to time.

Assumptions are bad. Tis true. You assume I have no idea what goes into the FL position, I not only know but I stood beside the FL of the Jin faction DAY and NIGHT. I defended them totally, when no one else would, or cared to. I WASTED (Yes you read that word correctly) over a month, defending them, and standing with them only to have their own faction whine, complain, act with apathy, and then with jealousy, denial, and finally outright hatred, all because the FL was honest, upstanding, and courteous and compassionate enough to want 24/7 coverage, to want to help the faction at COMPLETE cost of their play time, others play time, and their own integrity.

That FL was maligned, insulted, attacked, and stalked by a number of users, and it was a disgrace to the FL position to that player who WON the FL position fair and square, and to all of the so called 'friends' who suddenly vanished when it came time to do the right thing.

You have no idea what I do or do not know, so before you make assumptions, I'd suggest you ask.

That being said, the FL position is there ONLY to try to lead the faction in TACTICS, and to request the factions asssistance. They are there to direct, to help, and to try to coalesce the faction into a group, that is confident, and tasked with specific goals, like winning Pagoda, like defending shields, or defending stones.

When the faction chooses not to follow an FL, the FL is treated like garbage. When other players start political campaigns to malign, smear and treat the FL badly, who's to blame? So, I know MUCH MUCH more than you think.

Now, the FL position is ONLY to help and assist. Yet they are paid and I agree with this because constant defence is expensive, not many know how much but I know, more than most. But all to many want the position simply for status. Simply to use FL chat, and that's wrong. I know it's won on votes, but many cheat for those, and they bribe others for the position, and it's all strange because it's a game, but all to often people lose sight of that.

Now you want to add special graphics, etc for the position making it evebn more desireable by those who would covet that position for all the wrong reasons. Personally? I think the FL position is like a volunteer position. UNREQUIRED. All that is required is the desire to help other people. If people who are helped or who see such good conduct wish to thank those people then so much the better. It does not really require a title, a position, or elevation of status. Hey as a nice way of saying thank you, it's a compliment, and it's often deserved, but it's also corruptible, and as a result corruptible people covet such 'rewards' and then they sully and tarnish it.

People have been clamouring here for status and position already, even after MAYN stated several times what their position was, but did it stop them? NO. People arrived here, toting an honourary title as though it was made of gold... Hey I am GS so and so, from elsewhere. Oh yeah I'd love to get the position here. I am OH SO Helpful. Hey! MAYN should listen to us GS's oh we know what's what, blah blah.

It's all quietly sickening.

So, you'll forgive me for looking at any elevation of status, with a jaded, and cynical eye. I know the true cost of such things, even if others are all to forgetful.

---quoted for truth. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

tomas2312
02-04-2009, 06:53 PM
I don't think there's any special power coming from an accesory. I like the idea. I don't think having a special effect attched to the cape would change peoples views of the FL position. If a person wants the FL position out of greed, then they want it for the fame and money. Not for the cape or the effect. I've never heard of somebody wanting FL because the cape. They either wanted it because they were a good devoted player willing to help the faction, or they wanted it for the limelight and free cash. Adding a flashy effect would just help the FL to stand out more, and I think if the FL is, like you said, devoting so much time to the faction they deserve that. And even then, it wouldn't be a personal benefit, it would just help people notice the FL more. If a few player needed help and no GS's were around, but the FL was, how would they know that it's the FL? FL's dont get any special name tags, all they get is a cape. A new player wouldnt know that its an FL cape or a regular cape. If the FL had, say, the words "Faction Leader" flashing above his head, the new player would have more of an understanding, and would know to ask that person for help. If people see a person with an FL effect going in one particular direction in PvP, its easier to point out the FL and follow them.

Asasinul12
02-04-2009, 06:55 PM
I don't think there's any special power coming from an accesory. I like the idea. I don't think having a special effect attched to the cape would change peoples views of the FL position. If a person wants the FL position out of greed, then they want it for the fame and money. Not for the cape or the effect. I've never heard of somebody wanting FL because the cape. They either wanted it because they were a good devoted player willing to help the faction, or they wanted it for the limelight and free cash. Adding a flashy effect would just help the FL to stand out more, and I think if the FL is, like you said, devoting so much time to the faction they deserve that. And even then, it wouldn't be a personal benefit, it would just help people notice the FL more. If a few player needed help and no GS's were around, but the FL was, how would they know that it's the FL? FL's dont get any special name tags, all they get is a cape. A new player wouldnt know that its an FL cape or a regular cape. If the FL had, say, the words "Faction Leader" flashing above his head, the new player would have more of an understanding, and would know to ask that person for help. If people see a person with an FL effect going in one particular direction in PvP, its easier to point out the FL and follow them.

Semantics. If you can vote for them, then you know them. If you know them, then you know them. Period.

goldwyn20002
02-04-2009, 08:16 PM
Let's try to do this short :)

flashy things (name or cape): BAD...ppl with money will bribe
recognition: GOOD?...do you need to know who is FL...is it really that important?

Problem is how will the recognition be implemented in a way it does not be too conspicuous so ppl will buy there votes, but still clear for the faction.

Still the idea of power corrupts many, and only the strong ones will stay who the are. As Logic said, being FL is a hard job...ppl think you can help them (meaning, they want money and/or gear) since you get some cash every day. That is not help, that is just begging. FL should be leaders in battle, able to steer the faction, to be able to get all faces in one direction. Lately FL, at least on the server I play, don't care about anything when it is lower then master...and even then it is only marginal. It has become a joke.

so what is my opinion?
Appearance? maybe a cape or hat that stands out...not to special, but still clearly different.
Name? maybe you get FL as additional tag like [GS] in 12sky1

But if you would really ask my opinion: Nothing!!
You get the coins but not all the attributes. Moreover, announcements should be anonymous...they are there to get the faction to battle, no point in stating who said that. The FL should divide the tasks, each with their own wars to round up the troups and one for external threats. It should not be based on what lvl you are...as a matter of fact I still don't get why there isn't an lvl30-49 FL for AV (one of the wars in 12sky1 for ppl who never played it)...since they will attend those. Same counts for the other wars. I think ppl in the specific lvl range will know who could lead them to battle and they should vote in their own bracket. I dont know how many FL there will be in 12sky2, but there are a lot of wars so that could be a problem.

Anyway, leadership is not measured by how hard you grind or how much money you have, it is something embedded in your personality...as a faction we have to find those qualities in the players.

I should stop here...i think I made my point.
(and my try failed miserably..sorry for the length)

Asasinul12
02-05-2009, 01:11 AM
Let's try to do this short :)

flashy things (name or cape): BAD...ppl with money will bribe
recognition: GOOD?...do you need to know who is FL...is it really that important?

Problem is how will the recognition be implemented in a way it does not be too conspicuous so ppl will buy there votes, but still clear for the faction.

Still the idea of power corrupts many, and only the strong ones will stay who the are. As Logic said, being FL is a hard job...ppl think you can help them (meaning, they want money and/or gear) since you get some cash every day. That is not help, that is just begging. FL should be leaders in battle, able to steer the faction, to be able to get all faces in one direction. Lately FL, at least on the server I play, don't care about anything when it is lower then master...and even then it is only marginal. It has become a joke.

so what is my opinion?
Appearance? maybe a cape or hat that stands out...not to special, but still clearly different.
Name? maybe you get FL as additional tag like [GS] in 12sky1

But if you would really ask my opinion: Nothing!!
You get the coins but not all the attributes. Moreover, announcements should be anonymous...they are there to get the faction to battle, no point in stating who said that. The FL should divide the tasks, each with their own wars to round up the troups and one for external threats. It should not be based on what lvl you are...as a matter of fact I still don't get why there isn't an lvl30-49 FL for AV (one of the wars in 12sky1 for ppl who never played it)...since they will attend those. Same counts for the other wars. I think ppl in the specific lvl range will know who could lead them to battle and they should vote in their own bracket. I dont know how many FL there will be in 12sky2, but there are a lot of wars so that could be a problem.

Anyway, leadership is not measured by how hard you grind or how much money you have, it is something embedded in your personality...as a faction we have to find those qualities in the players.

I should stop here...i think I made my point.
(and my try failed miserably..sorry for the length)

LOL when you said (Let's make this short) I thought, HA! Good luck!

;) well it was not short but I agree with you. To many people want to much for nothing, just for status, looks, or because they look different. As for people saying they would not go to extroadinary lengths for such things, sadly you're wrong, they would. I'd cite examples, but there's no need. We all know it, and if you do not, then you're not paying much attention.

In fact, PRNU a friend of mine, has just asked for flashy graphics, because, apparently the position demands it! LOL.

It doesn't in fact, the only thing any leader needs when leading? Is just to lead. People will follow you through choice or not. Want to be a leader? Then lead. You do not need faction chat, a cape, a hat, big graphics, bushy eyebrows, or sex appeal. You just need to be yourself.

And if that is not enough? Then you're probably not a leader at all.

dofur2
02-05-2009, 01:14 AM
LOL when you said (Let's make this short) I thought, HA! Good luck!


i kept it short and simple. (so simple that people weren't sure what i meant ... but that's beside the point)

Asasinul12
02-05-2009, 01:16 AM
LOL when you said (Let's make this short) I thought, HA! Good luck!


i kept it short and simple. (so simple that people weren't sure what i meant ... but that's beside the point)

Sometimes being succint is not always effective, you need to explain and then use frames of reference all can appreciate, but that's the risk you run when trying to be to the point, of course being verbose has it's own issues... ;)

Divanna1
02-05-2009, 02:15 AM
Not to step on toes...

"Totally leaving Drama at AG/TS1! Waves goodbye to drama"

But I say "No" to Sparkly, glowing, outlandish Capes! If you want to lead me into battle, then do exactly that! I want to know I have someone willing to have our backs, help make decisions, and be a part of the whole. There is no need for one to stand above the rest and create their own inner circle, whom does nothing but ignore the rest. I want a Leader who has a Great Leader Ability and TEAM mentality!! Not one who wears the Purdiest Equips!

I love Logics replies and agree with them. Will you marry me... oops wait I'm already married. :oops: runs and hides from Yugga

tero022
02-05-2009, 02:46 AM
Semantics. If you can vote for them, then you know them. If you know them, then you know them. Period.
Well if you know them so much then you must trust that they want the FL cape for a good reason not for Flashy lights ,so why can't the FL cape have somethings extra like a little Arura around the player its not like it has to make them stronger just a little extra light no big deal. :mrgreen:
personally i would never be FL i rather fallow ,i hate ppl who talk smack about FL's mistakes behind there backs >.>
_____
plus its almost like picking the President,they get to live in a huge white house,but that doesn't mean everyone wants to be President to live their :| they just want to Lead

maerykiss2
02-05-2009, 03:47 AM
LOL when you said (Let's make this short) I thought, HA! Good luck!


i kept it short and simple. (so simple that people weren't sure what i meant ... but that's beside the point)

Sometimes being succint is not always effective, you need to explain and then use frames of reference all can appreciate, but that's the risk you run when trying to be to the point, of course being verbose has it's own issues... ;)

Ahh, finally a modicum of civilized, logical thought ;) Logic you seem like a man I could have an intellectual discussion/debate with, hehe. You know that what nearly all of what you're saying is true, but most people either don't see that or care to; regardless of what should be done as FL, what will be done is often very if not completely different (as you well know from TS1), so if the general people would like a little extra something for their FL, why not give it to them? After all, what the people say goes, for the most part (no matter how corrupt or misinformed their decisions and thoughts may be :? ).

But in the end I'll have to agree with both of you; very well thought out and reasonable, kudos :D

Respects,
Lanfear

Asasinul12
02-05-2009, 04:15 AM
Semantics. If you can vote for them, then you know them. If you know them, then you know them. Period.
Well if you know them so much then you must trust that they want the FL cape for a good reason not for Flashy lights ,so why can't the FL cape have somethings extra like a little Arura around the player its not like it has to make them stronger just a little extra light no big deal. :mrgreen:
personally i would never be FL i rather fallow ,i hate ppl who talk smack about FL's mistakes behind there backs >.>
_____
plus its almost like picking the President,they get to live in a huge white house,but that doesn't mean everyone wants to be President to live their :| they just want to Lead

Divanna, maybe! LOL (Don't tell Mrs Logic) ;) - And I agree with you.

Lanfear, thank you, I appreciate the comment.

And it's this, that makes me most curious...
so why can't the FL cape have somethings extra like a little Arura around the player its not like it has to make them stronger just a little extra light no big deal. :mrgreen:

Then why do you need it? Why is it so important, if it's so meaningless? Why was it suggested? Why am I still explaining it? WHY IS IT REQUIRED?

And that's the question thats stands out above any other that I can ask. And it's the question no one can answer. Sadly the real answer is even more simple than any of us wish to understand. Why is it required?

Just because someone wants it. And that's why it's NOT something I can agree with.

Slayer2
02-05-2009, 06:39 AM
I don't think there's any special power coming from an accesory. I like the idea. I don't think having a special effect attched to the cape would change peoples views of the FL position. If a person wants the FL position out of greed, then they want it for the fame and money. Not for the cape or the effect. I've never heard of somebody wanting FL because the cape. They either wanted it because they were a good devoted player willing to help the faction, or they wanted it for the limelight and free cash. Adding a flashy effect would just help the FL to stand out more, and I think if the FL is, like you said, devoting so much time to the faction they deserve that. And even then, it wouldn't be a personal benefit, it would just help people notice the FL more. If a few player needed help and no GS's were around, but the FL was, how would they know that it's the FL? FL's dont get any special name tags, all they get is a cape. A new player wouldnt know that its an FL cape or a regular cape. If the FL had, say, the words "Faction Leader" flashing above his head, the new player would have more of an understanding, and would know to ask that person for help. If people see a person with an FL effect going in one particular direction in PvP, its easier to point out the FL and follow them.

Semantics. If you can vote for them, then you know them. If you know them, then you know them. Period.

Not so, if you can vote them, doesn't mean you know them, if you actually vote them, you know them, if you don't know them, you don't know them. Period. :P

Slayer2
02-05-2009, 07:17 AM
Then why do you need it? Why is it so important, if it's so meaningless? Why was it suggested? Why am I still explaining it? WHY IS IT REQUIRED?

And that's the question thats stands out above any other that I can ask. And it's the question no one can answer. Sadly the real answer is even more simple than any of us wish to understand. Why is it required?

Just because someone wants it. And that's why it's NOT something I can agree with.

No on needs it, nothing new in this game is actually needed, all just meaningless new addition, so why do they still add them ? TO MAKE IT DIFFERENT !

Mounts ? No one needs them, but they are still gonna add them.
http://forum.12sky2.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1045 <- No one needs this either, but still you were for it, just with a little different point of view.

There's alot of things you don't need in the game, but they are still there.




LOL when you said (Let's make this short) I thought, HA! Good luck!

;) well it was not short but I agree with you. To many people want to much for nothing, just for status, looks, or because they look different. As for people saying they would not go to extroadinary lengths for such things, sadly you're wrong, they would. I'd cite examples, but there's no need. We all know it, and if you do not, then you're not paying much attention.

In fact, PRNU a friend of mine, has just asked for flashy graphics, because, apparently the position demands it! LOL.

It doesn't in fact, the only thing any leader needs when leading? Is just to lead. People will follow you through choice or not. Want to be a leader? Then lead. You do not need faction chat, a cape, a hat, big graphics, bushy eyebrows, or sex appeal. You just need to be yourself.

And if that is not enough? Then you're probably not a leader at all.

So you're saying, that wanting extravagant and flashy things makes you a bad leader, if so, I guess I'm guilty then.
And again, these things aren't needed, alot of things aren't, but that doesn't really mean they don't need to be in game either.

You never saw me asking anything back on TS1 from anyone, everyone was just asking me to do everything, not saying I didn't gladly help them, because I did, but some people expected me to do everything alone.

Like for example, there were people who were saying "We got prNu, he can take yanggok for us, we're not needed" or "prNu, go take the stone for us!"

And back to topic...

Who knows, maybe the flashy things would make some people even appreciate the FL position more, instead of trash talk it to the ground.

Asasinul12
02-05-2009, 07:38 AM
It's 2:32am for me. I'm tired, BUT I SO want to respond, BUT... Seeing as the more tired I am the more to the point I get... I'll wait until the morning, or some other time when I am more cognizant. BUT, in a few words...


So you're saying, that wanting extravagant and flashy things makes you a bad leader, if so, I guess I'm guilty then.

Yes. I am saying that. Now that said I don't want you to be upset or angry, I like you PRNU, I think you're clever, witty, and I like your energy, I've always been quite fond of you. It still does not change the way I feel. If you want it, just because you think you deserve it or need it, then you should never get it. And I do not mean you, I'm generalising, and I'm tired, and by you *waves hand around* I mean ANYONE who fits this description.

Everyone asked you to do something because YOU enjoyed carrying the weight and they enjoyed you carrying their weight. They were lazy, you wanted to do it, and a packhorse was born. So mote it be. Choice. Theirs, yours, then, now. It's all the same.

Maybe flashy things underline what I am saying. Some people want them because they are flashy. You would say that they should not want it, or need it, and I agree. So we agree in principle yes? Then this issue is black and white.

No. Quod erat demonstrandum. Box opens, enter PRNU, box closes. *snap*

I'll post more on this (Although I'd be belabouring the point) when I can think straight.

Sperm2
02-05-2009, 08:50 AM
In 12sky1, the only thing that visually showed everyone who's the FL was the cape, which didn't differ much from the FLA capes either.

Dunno does MAYN have something on the works, but how about adding some kind of special effect for FL.
FL only armor, glow, buff or something, that seperates you from the masses.

And to let everyone know, FL = Faction Leader and FLA = Faction Leader Assistant.

No and I disagree. Firstly, FL is not that important a position BUT if you have to vote for it, then those who voted know you already. This simply ties into ego, and the display of same. I do not like this idea or any other idea that promotes one individual above others. Maybe my point of view is left wing or socialist ;) but I say that there are not those who are more equal than others.

I don't like the idea, I say no, bad call, bad precedent, bad idea.

How is FL not that important of a position ?
You're suppoused to be the leader of the whole faction, everyone looks up to you and always expects too much from the FL, sounds pretty important to me.
FL is the highest 'rank' you can achieve in the game and there's only one person to get that and in my opinion, something like this would give more appeal for the FL position.

To some people even getting the FL position might affect their ego, should it be stripped away for good then too ?
What matters is what's inside the players head, not how the character looks like, don't blame the effects, blame the player! :P

This is still a game, everyone is equal, just the characters that differs and of course, everyone likes seeing flashy things :P

And on a personal note, you saying that FL position ain't that important of a position, I take it as an insult.
If you only knew how exhausting it can get from time to time.


100% agree
as FL, your expected to defend 24/7
to take forms and stones and be the backbone of the faction.
and if your not around 24/7 you get flamed, being called a bad FL.

hell i went into the hospital to get an MRI, i was gone for 3 hours and got flamed, even tho i announced that i was leaving and no one was willing to take the cape, i still got flamed.

so why not get some sort of special vanity for it?
if your gonna get stressed and exhausted and flamed for doing your job, you deserve something a lil extra.
maybe not a buff or something, but a special FL vanity set.

and yes "if you dont like it, shouldnt of ran for it"
personally i love it.
but non the less, everyone still expects so much out of you, and you rarely get any thanks back, instead you get yelled at for not being perfect.

so there is far from anything wrong from getting something extra and flashy for it aslong as its not any sort of stat buff or something like that, which would cause an unfair advantage.
the most something flashy would do, is cause you to be KOS moreso than anyone else lol

tero022
02-05-2009, 08:42 PM
Semantics. If you can vote for them, then you know them. If you know them, then you know them. Period.
Well if you know them so much then you must trust that they want the FL cape for a good reason not for Flashy lights ,so why can't the FL cape have somethings extra like a little Arura around the player its not like it has to make them stronger just a little extra light no big deal. :mrgreen:
personally i would never be FL i rather fallow ,i hate ppl who talk smack about FL's mistakes behind there backs >.>
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plus its almost like picking the President,they get to live in a huge white house,but that doesn't mean everyone wants to be President to live their :| they just want to Lead

Divanna, maybe! LOL (Don't tell Mrs Logic) ;) - And I agree with you.

Lanfear, thank you, I appreciate the comment.

And it's this, that makes me most curious...
so why can't the FL cape have somethings extra like a little Arura around the player its not like it has to make them stronger just a little extra light no big deal. :mrgreen:

Then why do you need it? Why is it so important, if it's so meaningless? Why was it suggested? Why am I still explaining it? WHY IS IT REQUIRED?

And that's the question thats stands out above any other that I can ask. And it's the question no one can answer. Sadly the real answer is even more simple than any of us wish to understand. Why is it required?

Just because someone wants it. And that's why it's NOT something I can agree with.
I still don't see why we couldn't have something extra to FL all u saying is im wrong,but i never said you where ,i just agreed with prNuz post and you have to be a smart as an turn everyone down, well if you don't like the idea then ok,but prNu didn't post (hey Logic tell me what you think) he ask if FL could have something extra that's it

tero022
02-05-2009, 08:46 PM
100% agree
as FL, your expected to defend 24/7
to take forms and stones and be the backbone of the faction.
and if your not around 24/7 you get flamed, being called a bad FL.

hell i went into the hospital to get an MRI, i was gone for 3 hours and got flamed, even tho i announced that i was leaving and no one was willing to take the cape, i still got flamed.

so why not get some sort of special vanity for it?
if your gonna get stressed and exhausted and flamed for doing your job, you deserve something a lil extra.
maybe not a buff or something, but a special FL vanity set.

and yes "if you dont like it, shouldnt of ran for it"
personally i love it.
but non the less, everyone still expects so much out of you, and you rarely get any thanks back, instead you get yelled at for not being perfect.

so there is far from anything wrong from getting something extra and flashy for it aslong as its not any sort of stat buff or something like that, which would cause an unfair advantage.
the most something flashy would do, is cause you to be KOS moreso than anyone else lol
An FL Vanity is a great idea (just wait till Logic turns you down its only a matter of time)

spirios2
02-05-2009, 08:53 PM
The only effect i think a FL shud have is to be a bit bigger not more power better stuff etc bigger that all so ppl know o i pwned your FL hahaha and i think this my be dumb idea but FL is voted for and as logik said ppl can bribe ppl to make them FL

so i think Once a Month
Any one that wants to be FL from LVL1-G4 they shud be able to fight for the postion and what i mean is like a Duel but in a certain map and have stages then the winner is now FL as what is point of haveing say a M14 FL and you are G4 and you get bossed bout by someone lower than you and i know this idea would mean a hell of alot codes and stuff but it easy way to sort things out also no pills used in fights like normal duels

sfantul2
02-05-2009, 09:25 PM
We're all aware this is a GAME, right? Game as in a fake, human created, virtual world that doesn't require this much thought, energy, or discussion. The fact that FL of 12 Sky 2 was compared to a real world presidency negates anything said by anyone in this post. That statement includes myself, hence why I'll stop here before pissing more people off. :)

tero022
02-05-2009, 11:13 PM
We're all aware this is a GAME, right? Game as in a fake, human created, virtual world that doesn't require this much thought, energy, or discussion. The fact that FL of 12 Sky 2 was compared to a real world presidency negates anything said by anyone in this post. That statement includes myself, hence why I'll stop here before * more people off. :)
it was an EXAMPLE ,if your not smart as everyone else to realize that, then its not my fault :|

tomas2312
02-06-2009, 12:30 AM
Semantics. If you can vote for them, then you know them. If you know them, then you know them. Period.
Sorry to argue with ya, but not everybody in the game votes. Not everyone is eligible to vote. Not everyone who will be playing the game 2 months from that time, actually exists in the "at the time". Some people vote for the other candidate because they don't know the first one. The leader is for the faction, not for the people who voted for him. An accesory like an effect or a buff won't harm the game in any way. Nobody's opinion of the FL position will change, and nobody will want it any more just cuz the effect. If FL doesn't change from TS1, then the greed of the position will be based on power and income, not accesories like cape and effect. But on the other hand, the buff or name tag or effect or w/e will help newer players or players in need recognize the FL easier, and will help the faction.

tero022
02-06-2009, 12:33 AM
Semantics. If you can vote for them, then you know them. If you know them, then you know them. Period.
Sorry to argue with ya, but not everybody in the game votes. Not everyone is eligible to vote. Not everyone who will be playing the game 2 months from that time, actually exists in the "at the time". Some people vote for the other candidate because they don't know the first one. The leader is for the faction, not for the people who voted for him. An accesory like an effect or a buff won't harm the game in any way. Nobody's opinion of the FL position will change, and nobody will want it any more just cuz the effect. If FL doesn't change from TS1, then the greed of the position will be based on power and income, not accesories like cape and effect. But on the other hand, the buff or name tag or effect or w/e will help newer players or players in need recognize the FL easier, and will help the faction.
CAN you be my new best Friend :mrgreen: jk thanks for your opinion

sfantul2
02-06-2009, 12:36 AM
*gasp* it was an EXAMPLE?!?! Dude, I like, TOTALLY thought you were, like, for real there.......OR comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges and therefore makes for a bad example.

tero022
02-06-2009, 12:42 AM
*gasp* it was an EXAMPLE?!?! Dude, I like, TOTALLY thought you were, like, for real there.......OR comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges and therefore makes for a bad example.
hey im sorry if your mad for some reason,but what do you think about the subject here? ,instead of trying to be smart about the comparison of FL an President which was an example an has nothing to do with what prNuz asked for.

Slayer2
02-06-2009, 07:13 AM
We're all aware this is a GAME, right? Game as in a fake, human created, virtual world that doesn't require this much thought, energy, or discussion. The fact that FL of 12 Sky 2 was compared to a real world presidency negates anything said by anyone in this post. That statement includes myself, hence why I'll stop here before * more people off. :)

Did you see me suggest something like, "I want FL to be like the president", "I WANT A FREAKING OBAMA TAG ON MY FOREHEAD!", "build me a whitehouse dammit!".

Read the thread again, kthxbai !

Slayer2
02-06-2009, 07:22 AM
The only effect i think a FL shud have is to be a bit bigger not more power better stuff etc bigger that all so ppl know o i pwned your FL hahaha and i think this my be dumb idea but FL is voted for and as logik said ppl can bribe ppl to make them FL

so i think Once a Month
Any one that wants to be FL from LVL1-G4 they shud be able to fight for the postion and what i mean is like a Duel but in a certain map and have stages then the winner is now FL as what is point of haveing say a M14 FL and you are G4 and you get bossed bout by someone lower than you and i know this idea would mean a hell of alot codes and stuff but it easy way to sort things out also no pills used in fights like normal duels

I never asked for FLs to be more powerful, just to "upgrade" the looks a little, to make everyone recognize FL better.
Everyone could have bribed someone on 12sky1 to vote for them, but it didn't happen, why do you think it would happen in here ?

You think by dueling you can find the best leader for your faction ?
Who cares does he know how to lead or even give a crap what's best for the faction, lets just solve this with a useless duel that anyone can win.

Would you rather have a great, capable M14, a decent M20 or a sucky G4, who only knows how to grind and doesn't give a crap about the faction, as a FL ?
I would most certainly go with the the M14.

sfantul2
02-06-2009, 03:17 PM
We're all aware this is a GAME, right? Game as in a fake, human created, virtual world that doesn't require this much thought, energy, or discussion. The fact that FL of 12 Sky 2 was compared to a real world presidency negates anything said by anyone in this post. That statement includes myself, hence why I'll stop here before * more people off. :)

Did you see me suggest something like, "I want FL to be like the president", "I WANT A FREAKING OBAMA TAG ON MY FOREHEAD!", "build me a whitehouse dammit!".

Read the thread again, kthxbai !

Just to clarify, I didn't make the comparison of FL to a presidency nor did I EVER say that it should be like that. Try reading my post where I said that someone making that comparison negates the topic. Maybe you should try reading the thread again, kthxbai!

sfantul2
02-06-2009, 03:19 PM
*gasp* it was an EXAMPLE?!?! Dude, I like, TOTALLY thought you were, like, for real there.......OR comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges and therefore makes for a bad example.
hey im sorry if your mad for some reason,but what do you think about the subject here? ,instead of trying to be smart about the comparison of FL an President which was an example an has nothing to do with what prNuz asked for.

By no means am I mad but your last post questioned my intelligence and ability to recognize an example. I, therefore, responded accordingly.

Slayer2
02-06-2009, 03:29 PM
We're all aware this is a GAME, right? Game as in a fake, human created, virtual world that doesn't require this much thought, energy, or discussion. The fact that FL of 12 Sky 2 was compared to a real world presidency negates anything said by anyone in this post. That statement includes myself, hence why I'll stop here before * more people off. :)

Did you see me suggest something like, "I want FL to be like the president", "I WANT A FREAKING OBAMA TAG ON MY FOREHEAD!", "build me a whitehouse dammit!".

Read the thread again, kthxbai !

Just to clarify, I didn't make the comparison of FL to a presidency nor did I EVER say that it should be like that. Try reading my post where I said that someone making that comparison negates the topic. Maybe you should try reading the thread again, kthxbai!

I didn't say you mentioned anything like that, but you came barging in here saying someone mentioned the word "president" in here so that pretty much negates the whole topic.


The fact that FL of 12 Sky 2 was compared to a real world presidency negates anything said by anyone in this post.

Why the *beep* would it affect the thread if some random person comes in here talking about something like that ? It has nothing to do with my suggestion.
Read my suggestion, not some random persons posts !

Now **** off, you're not wanted here anymore, kthxbai !

[Pissed off mode]

sfantul2
02-06-2009, 05:04 PM
It was a cynical comment not to be taken wholly literally. Jesus, people seem awfully touchy around here.

tiberiu302
02-06-2009, 05:21 PM
:twisted: Logic wins this battle. Anyways its a social standing, fascism anyone......

mitaextreame2
02-06-2009, 08:08 PM
ok here is my take on this, i kind of like it due to the fact that during invastions if everyone groups up and then splits into 2 group (for what ever reasson) and u need to fallow the Fl (for what ever reasson) and u can see the FL's name cuz there are to many ppl around him/her then something that make them stand out just enough to make them more visible is a good thing. ppl will go for FL for the wrong things no matter what y punish those that dont with denying them the use of something that may help them?

Asasinul12
02-09-2009, 03:07 PM
100% agree
as FL, your expected to defend 24/7
to take forms and stones and be the backbone of the faction.
and if your not around 24/7 you get flamed, being called a bad FL.

hell i went into the hospital to get an MRI, i was gone for 3 hours and got flamed, even tho i announced that i was leaving and no one was willing to take the cape, i still got flamed.

so why not get some sort of special vanity for it?
if your gonna get stressed and exhausted and flamed for doing your job, you deserve something a lil extra.
maybe not a buff or something, but a special FL vanity set.

and yes "if you dont like it, shouldnt of ran for it"
personally i love it.
but non the less, everyone still expects so much out of you, and you rarely get any thanks back, instead you get yelled at for not being perfect.

so there is far from anything wrong from getting something extra and flashy for it aslong as its not any sort of stat buff or something like that, which would cause an unfair advantage.
the most something flashy would do, is cause you to be KOS moreso than anyone else lol
An FL Vanity is a great idea (just wait till Logic turns you down its only a matter of time)

Royal. "Logic" Will do you a favour. You can have anything you want. You have an opinion, I listened. I have an opinion and you feel free to treat it with scorn, and so it goes with muppets.

Asasinul12
02-09-2009, 03:12 PM
The only effect i think a FL shud have is to be a bit bigger not more power better stuff etc bigger that all so ppl know o i pwned your FL hahaha and i think this my be dumb idea but FL is voted for and as logik said ppl can bribe ppl to make them FL

so i think Once a Month
Any one that wants to be FL from LVL1-G4 they shud be able to fight for the postion and what i mean is like a Duel but in a certain map and have stages then the winner is now FL as what is point of haveing say a M14 FL and you are G4 and you get bossed bout by someone lower than you and i know this idea would mean a hell of alot codes and stuff but it easy way to sort things out also no pills used in fights like normal duels

I never asked for FLs to be more powerful, just to "upgrade" the looks a little, to make everyone recognize FL better.
Everyone could have bribed someone on 12sky1 to vote for them, but it didn't happen, why do you think it would happen in here ?

You think by dueling you can find the best leader for your faction ?
Who cares does he know how to lead or even give a crap what's best for the faction, lets just solve this with a useless duel that anyone can win.

Would you rather have a great, capable M14, a decent M20 or a sucky G4, who only knows how to grind and doesn't give a crap about the faction, as a FL ?
I would most certainly go with the the M14.

Point of order. Bribery happened all the time. I know Leo did it, I know Tantric did it, and yes, I could go on naming names. So, let's not play, my memory is exceptional and I did have proof of the above allegations, I doubt I still have it, but this is a new game, and it's not required, just the fact that bribery occured is.

Bribery occured. Fact. This position and any other that relies on 'people' to make the right choices, could be as corruptible. Period. Quid pro quo.

RoMihai2
02-09-2009, 08:13 PM
Well think logically.The people who play Twelwe Sky2 can choose a Faction Leader one or more months then it will be re-elect.If this option is not good u should make a dueling contest,winner gets FL for a ammount of time then they do it again and again... :roll: :roll:

RoMihai2
02-09-2009, 08:16 PM
And the ones who win must be good with their faction or they will be fired.If u want the FL have special powers, put some special glows in their bodies or they can have a special skill,which they can learn from trainers (Example: Fly skill). They can get anything but it shouldn't be so ownage so people can face them. :!: :!:

Asasinul12
02-09-2009, 08:26 PM
Well think logically.The people who play Twelwe Sky2 can choose a Faction Leader one or more months then it will be re-elect.If this option is not good u should make a dueling contest,winner gets FL for a ammount of time then they do it again and again... :roll: :roll:

Duelling contest makes no sense. Might makes right? I think not.

One or two months? Takes TO long for a corruptible position. Nope.

hyperice2
02-09-2009, 09:40 PM
:evil: Flame. Flame. Flame. :evil:

You guys are making such a small matter into a big deal.
Remember, this is a whole new game.
new battleground.
new people.
leave the past behind, because it won't effect the future.
this is a new beginning.
So everyone starts fresh.


Personally, I think you should still get the faction leader cape.
and a Add-on to your armor that is just for looks on your set of armor that makes you look totally different from any other types of armor.

Disagree with me?

leave the flaming to yourself,
because I surely don't want to hear it.


Sincerely,

Snake.

WOLFE1
02-10-2009, 05:31 AM
I got my popcorn ready. Now i'll sit back and enjoy the argument. :mrgreen:

mitaextreame2
02-10-2009, 04:55 PM
The only effect i think a FL shud have is to be a bit bigger not more power better stuff etc bigger that all so ppl know o i pwned your FL hahaha and i think this my be dumb idea but FL is voted for and as logik said ppl can bribe ppl to make them FL

so i think Once a Month
Any one that wants to be FL from LVL1-G4 they shud be able to fight for the postion and what i mean is like a Duel but in a certain map and have stages then the winner is now FL as what is point of haveing say a M14 FL and you are G4 and you get bossed bout by someone lower than you and i know this idea would mean a hell of alot codes and stuff but it easy way to sort things out also no pills used in fights like normal duels

I never asked for FLs to be more powerful, just to "upgrade" the looks a little, to make everyone recognize FL better.
Everyone could have bribed someone on 12sky1 to vote for them, but it didn't happen, why do you think it would happen in here ?

You think by dueling you can find the best leader for your faction ?
Who cares does he know how to lead or even give a crap what's best for the faction, lets just solve this with a useless duel that anyone can win.

Would you rather have a great, capable M14, a decent M20 or a sucky G4, who only knows how to grind and doesn't give a crap about the faction, as a FL ?
I would most certainly go with the the M14.

Point of order. Bribery happened all the time. I know Leo did it, I know Tantric did it, and yes, I could go on naming names. So, let's not play, my memory is exceptional and I did have proof of the above allegations, I doubt I still have it, but this is a new game, and it's not required, just the fact that bribery occured is.

Bribery occured. Fact. This position and any other that relies on 'people' to make the right choices, could be as corruptible. Period. Quid pro quo.

yea and giving the FL something to stand out alittle better isn't going to change the fact that there was bribery. cuz like u said ppl will still do it. so y not give the FL something to stand out alittle more?

Asasinul12
02-10-2009, 07:04 PM
yea and giving the FL something to stand out alittle better isn't going to change the fact that there was bribery. cuz like u said ppl will still do it. so y not give the FL something to stand out alittle more?

*Shrugs shoulders* everyone wants it. Who am I to argue? Get big old shoulderpads, and some bling bling, and have the FL look all sparkly. Don't forget the AFL's too, they need to be as sparkly, after all they are important as well. Yep, FL all sparkly and special. AFL's all sparkly and special and lots of jealous peeps all wanting to be all sparkly and special and all jealous of that.

Should be great fun.

mitaextreame2
02-10-2009, 07:08 PM
yea and giving the FL something to stand out alittle better isn't going to change the fact that there was bribery. cuz like u said ppl will still do it. so y not give the FL something to stand out alittle more?

*Shrugs shoulders* everyone wants it. Who am I to argue? Get big old shoulderpads, and some bling bling, and have the FL look all sparkly. Don't forget the AFL's too, they need to be as sparkly, after all they are important as well. Yep, FL all sparkly and special. AFL's all sparkly and special and lots of jealous peeps all wanting to be all sparkly and special and all jealous of that.

Should be great fun.


y not just answer the question? or r u not going to cuz u know that adding "bling bling" will not change anything (as in ppl bribing others for vote).

Asasinul12
02-10-2009, 07:14 PM
yea and giving the FL something to stand out alittle better isn't going to change the fact that there was bribery. cuz like u said ppl will still do it. so y not give the FL something to stand out alittle more?

*Shrugs shoulders* everyone wants it. Who am I to argue? Get big old shoulderpads, and some bling bling, and have the FL look all sparkly. Don't forget the AFL's too, they need to be as sparkly, after all they are important as well. Yep, FL all sparkly and special. AFL's all sparkly and special and lots of jealous peeps all wanting to be all sparkly and special and all jealous of that.

Should be great fun.


y not just answer the question? or r u not going to cuz u know that adding "bling bling" will not change anything (as in ppl bribing others for vote).

I answered the question, you just missed it. What I am saying is the more desireable you make the position and the status, the more people will want it for the WRONG reasons. So, you can add all the sparkly, bling bling, the shading, the glow, the big shoulder pads, the nice coloured weapons, the colour changes, the big name tag, and the flashing lights, or whatever you want, and then we can all sit back and we can all watch chaos ensue.

Does that answer your question?

Or! We can go with people who need NOTHING to lead, and we'll follow them because we believe in them, we believe in the faction and we believe in what we are doing. All because we elected them and we believe in them. Like we have been doing.

sfantul2
02-10-2009, 07:28 PM
Hopefully I'm able to make a constructive comment on this thread as my previous ones certainly were not and I apologize for that. However, I tend to agree with both sides of this arguement. I see where additional effects would be desirable so the FL stands out and is recognized as such. I also see where additional effects would create a larger base of players wanting the position and wanting it only because it's shiny and cool looking. I see the arguement that adding effects won't change a thing because people will want to exploit the position due to what it is regardless. Unfortunately though, I agree that adding additional effects (aside from the cloak) will only add to the already considerable amount of players wanting the position for immoral reasons. True, no matter what you do, people will want a position of power due to faulty reasoning but why make matters worse? A simple cloak should suffice for those wanting the position in order to be a true leader.

The only possibility of finding middle ground is to maybe have additional effects but that come at a substantial cost to the FL. This will allow those that want flashy things to be able to buy them from an NPC but at an incredibly high cost. I see this as allowing everyone to be happy with the situation. Those that want flashy can use the money they get from the position to fund allowable effects while those that don't care simply won't bother.

Asasinul12
02-10-2009, 07:41 PM
Hopefully I'm able to make a constructive comment on this thread as my previous ones certainly were not and I apologize for that. However, I tend to agree with both sides of this arguement. I see where additional effects would be desirable so the FL stands out and is recognized as such. I also see where additional effects would create a larger base of players wanting the position and wanting it only because it's shiny and cool looking. I see the arguement that adding effects won't change a thing because people will want to exploit the position due to what it is regardless. Unfortunately though, I agree that adding additional effects (aside from the cloak) will only add to the already considerable amount of players wanting the position for immoral reasons. True, no matter what you do, people will want a position of power due to faulty reasoning but why make matters worse? A simple cloak should suffice for those wanting the position in order to be a true leader.

The only possibility of finding middle ground is to maybe have additional effects but that come at a substantial cost to the FL. This will allow those that want flashy things to be able to buy them from an NPC but at an incredibly high cost. I see this as allowing everyone to be happy with the situation. Those that want flashy can use the money they get from the position to fund allowable effects while those that don't care simply won't bother.

Bingo. Perfect solution. I like it.

maerykiss2
02-10-2009, 09:05 PM
Hopefully I'm able to make a constructive comment on this thread as my previous ones certainly were not and I apologize for that. However, I tend to agree with both sides of this arguement. I see where additional effects would be desirable so the FL stands out and is recognized as such. I also see where additional effects would create a larger base of players wanting the position and wanting it only because it's shiny and cool looking. I see the arguement that adding effects won't change a thing because people will want to exploit the position due to what it is regardless. Unfortunately though, I agree that adding additional effects (aside from the cloak) will only add to the already considerable amount of players wanting the position for immoral reasons. True, no matter what you do, people will want a position of power due to faulty reasoning but why make matters worse? A simple cloak should suffice for those wanting the position in order to be a true leader.

The only possibility of finding middle ground is to maybe have additional effects but that come at a substantial cost to the FL. This will allow those that want flashy things to be able to buy them from an NPC but at an incredibly high cost. I see this as allowing everyone to be happy with the situation. Those that want flashy can use the money they get from the position to fund allowable effects while those that don't care simply won't bother.

Bingo. Perfect solution. I like it.

A good solution, but brings up another question: is that what we want our FL spending his/her salary on? Given, it depends on the person and what they want, but I would think most people running would want to use that money to benefit the faction (as in pvp or helping lower levels) based on what they are running for(mainly a morality/characteristic issue here). I'm not saying this is how I personally feel about this, I'm just saying that we should further analyze this situation (kudos for the idea Leviathan, but seeing as this issue runs deeper than meets the eye [as we've seen based on the responses in this topic] I think we should justly scrutinize your idea as we have already done to that of prNu.

Asasinul12
02-10-2009, 11:24 PM
Hopefully I'm able to make a constructive comment on this thread as my previous ones certainly were not and I apologize for that. However, I tend to agree with both sides of this arguement. I see where additional effects would be desirable so the FL stands out and is recognized as such. I also see where additional effects would create a larger base of players wanting the position and wanting it only because it's shiny and cool looking. I see the arguement that adding effects won't change a thing because people will want to exploit the position due to what it is regardless. Unfortunately though, I agree that adding additional effects (aside from the cloak) will only add to the already considerable amount of players wanting the position for immoral reasons. True, no matter what you do, people will want a position of power due to faulty reasoning but why make matters worse? A simple cloak should suffice for those wanting the position in order to be a true leader.

The only possibility of finding middle ground is to maybe have additional effects but that come at a substantial cost to the FL. This will allow those that want flashy things to be able to buy them from an NPC but at an incredibly high cost. I see this as allowing everyone to be happy with the situation. Those that want flashy can use the money they get from the position to fund allowable effects while those that don't care simply won't bother.

Bingo. Perfect solution. I like it.

A good solution, but brings up another question: is that what we want our FL spending his/her salary on? Given, it depends on the person and what they want, but I would think most people running would want to use that money to benefit the faction (as in pvp or helping lower levels) based on what they are running for(mainly a morality/characteristic issue here). I'm not saying this is how I personally feel about this, I'm just saying that we should further analyze this situation (kudos for the idea Leviathan, but seeing as this issue runs deeper than meets the eye [as we've seen based on the responses in this topic] I think we should justly scrutinize your idea as we have already done to that of prNu.

Yes and no. Yes because I agree, no one should be spending faction money on looking pretty and no because if they are going to hold the position, they are entitled to some leeway on how they handle the position. Basically you can't have your cake and eat it too... And by that I mean, I can't dictate what the position is for, when they want something, only to tell them what they can and cannot spend the money on. As long as they have the position, I have to trust that they will respect it and the faction...

If they do not, then that will be self evident in due time. Somethings have to be left to chart their own course, as it were. This I feel is one of those items.

sfantul2
02-11-2009, 02:42 PM
Unfortunately, no matter what is or is not made available to an FL they will spend the money how they see fit. As FL is a position of high regard, there will be players seeking to gain the position through nefarious ways and abuse its, seemingly, immense power. I understand the issue is deeper than eye level but at the same time there is only so much one can do to guarantee that the FL uses his/her power/responsibility in a proper manner.

Asasinul12
02-11-2009, 03:09 PM
Unfortunately, no matter what is or is not made available to an FL they will spend the money how they see fit. As FL is a position of high regard, there will be players seeking to gain the position through nefarious ways and abuse its, seemingly, immense power. I understand the issue is deeper than eye level but at the same time there is only so much one can do to guarantee that the FL uses his/her power/responsibility in a proper manner.

Well said.

Lovituriu2
02-11-2009, 03:32 PM
This sounds interesting and in my opinion this shoulda been done long time ago... FL is a really important rank in ts, u can't have a more important rank than FL. Who goes for FL are ussualy ppl that understand the imense responsabily that they gained, only for this fact i think FL should be much more respected than they are in ts1 because being a FL u can make either good or bad to your faction so this power is in only 1 man hands. FL should be a little different then the other players like having a speacial: buff, glow, smoke, colour of robe or wep, and this special thing shouldn't grant him a extra source of power, just to be recognized. I think that this spacial sign is the best appreciation we can give to FL ppl :D

tero022
02-11-2009, 06:34 PM
:| well i do Admit i wanted everyone to say ,Yes yes yes about an extra something to FL instead of a NO ,which some did say at first ,but anyways thanks Leviathan for giving your opinion (which i had to ask for)an i like that idea a lot ,but not everyone wants to be FL must keep in mind people like me rather follow an see how someone else wants to do things instead of telling everyone how to do it ,so when im saying YES i want the FL the look Shiny an kool its not because i want to be FL its just because i think its a new idea an it should be atleast tried it out an see if it works good or fails an everyone becomes greedy :? which wouldn't change much seeing as we could just boot them if they doing a bad job of FL :twisted:

barabete2
02-11-2009, 11:26 PM
i am going to run for FL lol

goldwyn20002
02-14-2009, 01:48 AM
Hopefully I'm able to make a constructive comment on this thread as my previous ones certainly were not and I apologize for that. However, I tend to agree with both sides of this arguement. I see where additional effects would be desirable so the FL stands out and is recognized as such. I also see where additional effects would create a larger base of players wanting the position and wanting it only because it's shiny and cool looking. I see the arguement that adding effects won't change a thing because people will want to exploit the position due to what it is regardless. Unfortunately though, I agree that adding additional effects (aside from the cloak) will only add to the already considerable amount of players wanting the position for immoral reasons. True, no matter what you do, people will want a position of power due to faulty reasoning but why make matters worse? A simple cloak should suffice for those wanting the position in order to be a true leader.

The only possibility of finding middle ground is to maybe have additional effects but that come at a substantial cost to the FL. This will allow those that want flashy things to be able to buy them from an NPC but at an incredibly high cost. I see this as allowing everyone to be happy with the situation. Those that want flashy can use the money they get from the position to fund allowable effects while those that don't care simply won't bother.

Constructive indeed...great solution!
To add...I think the "pay-check" is also a sort of compensation for not always being able to do what you would like...ppl will continuously pm you taking away time for grinding for instance. If they wanna use it to get some nice additional items that come with the position then I think that is their right.
PS: it is not faction money, it is money given by the faction in appreciation for their leaders...therefore it is their money after they receive it.

paul
02-14-2009, 02:11 AM
Hey guys lets put an end to this.I'm not in this from the start,but i read all,and i see you have gone deep.First of all there is no other way to know is it good or bad unless its added to the game.There are a few ways you can TRY to predict what will happen if it is added.Second of all i don't believe this feature would be added even if you all just agreed to this so just move to something else,more important.Third of all i heard there already is a special FL cape which looks the same as the marks of the clans showed on clan description page(main page/clans button).

You can go like this into infinity,actually repeating the same thing.

This is something to be discussed in one faction after the game actually starts... :? :? ....and we get our first FL...and if we have problems with it.

piciulica2
02-16-2009, 12:23 PM
In 12sky1, the only thing that visually showed everyone who's the FL was the cape, which didn't differ much from the FLA capes either.

Dunno does MAYN have something on the works, but how about adding some kind of special effect for FL.
FL only armor, glow, buff or something, that seperates you from the masses.

And to let everyone know, FL = Faction Leader and FLA = Faction Leader Assistant.

No and I disagree. Firstly, FL is not that important a position BUT if you have to vote for it, then those who voted know you already. This simply ties into ego, and the display of same. I do not like this idea or any other idea that promotes one individual above others. Maybe my point of view is left wing or socialist ;) but I say that there are not those who are more equal than others.

I don't like the idea, I say no, bad call, bad precedent, bad idea.

How is FL not that important of a position ?
You're suppoused to be the leader of the whole faction, everyone looks up to you and always expects too much from the FL, sounds pretty important to me.
FL is the highest 'rank' you can achieve in the game and there's only one person to get that and in my opinion, something like this would give more appeal for the FL position.

To some people even getting the FL position might affect their ego, should it be stripped away for good then too ?
What matters is what's inside the players head, not how the character looks like, don't blame the effects, blame the player! :P

This is still a game, everyone is equal, just the characters that differs and of course, everyone likes seeing flashy things :P

And on a personal note, you saying that FL position ain't that important of a position, I take it as an insult.
If you only knew how exhausting it can get from time to time.


OH nuuuuuuuu I tottaly agree with PrNU...Fire eyes seems cool what what about when u look at them from behind?? Well I say what about a special kind of mount?? Say a Flying pig with fire eyes...Well it early and I am still sleepy but I love piggies...

goldwyn20002
02-16-2009, 07:18 PM
OH nuuuuuuuu I tottaly agree with PrNU...Fire eyes seems cool what what about when u look at them from behind?? Well I say what about a special kind of mount?? Say a Flying pig with fire eyes...Well it early and I am still sleepy but I love piggies...



hmm still not completely in favor of the fancy stuff...but yeah some recognizable feature might be necessary for previous stated reasons.

I think they all should get a golden halo (like a dead person/angel)...that will not be something you want to show off but still you can see it from all angles. ^^

bjorni331
02-16-2009, 09:10 PM
I didnt like that idea.... Because iff 1 carry the FL cape he will wear at most of all all the time cuz he become stronger by wearing it... I think it isnt a so good idea you can agree and disagree iff u like i dont care i just tell!

goldwyn20002
02-16-2009, 10:40 PM
I didnt like that idea.... Because iff 1 carry the FL cape he will wear at most of all all the time cuz he become stronger by wearing it... I think it isnt a so good idea you can agree and disagree iff u like i dont care i just tell!


the FL cape does not give any advantage in your stats...it's just an ornament...but you probably don't care.

going22
02-17-2009, 04:55 AM
lol all i think is the FL should actually play a good bit and atleast try ot help out the whole clan but most dont really help out every one and try ot do things 1 way an dont really try to see what the whole can wants to do lol somaybe if someone was it they would atleast do what an FL is supposed to do and not just try to do things there way lol

as for powers go humm... how about they get something funny above there heads lol like a muffin orif its a guan a cup cake and jins can have a bottle of steriods :P

bjorni331
02-18-2009, 04:33 PM
I didnt like that idea.... Because iff 1 carry the FL cape he will wear at most of all all the time cuz he become stronger by wearing it... I think it isnt a so good idea you can agree and disagree iff u like i dont care i just tell!


the FL cape does not give any advantage in your stats...it's just an ornament...but you probably don't care.


I know the FL cape dosnt give anything but the other guys just made an suggestion..

tomas2312
02-18-2009, 10:59 PM
I completely disagree with the idea of the FL paying with his/her salary for a vanity item.

But look at it this way. If there wasn't a white house, the Presidential position for the United States wouldn't be any less desireable. If there wasn't an FL Cape, the FL position wouldn't be any less desireable. Adding an effect will NOT make the position any more desireable. The only thing this will do is help the faction point out an FL easier. And to the people that agree to prNu's suggestion stating that "the FL needs compensation for their hard work", the point of the vanity effect or item is NOT to reward the Faction Leader, but to help lower levels and newer players point out the FL. I don't understand why people are so against this idea. There are practically 0% cons to this. Why would somebody want a leading position in a Faction because of an effect? The corruption will happen NO MATTER WHAT. Having an effect won't change that, OR worsen it AT ALL.

Darkphoenix12
02-19-2009, 03:04 AM
Factions wouldn't do be able to win anything if there isn't someone leading The rest. FLs are actually really important cuz they plan their strategies and lead their faction the best way they see fit etc. Players also look up to them as a leader and they kinda give you motivation to keep leveling so you can help the faction more.

iKyzz2
02-20-2009, 01:36 PM
FL position is very important and very needed but they really don't deserve and special effects seeing the cape was easy enough to see.On note the FL that is picked sometimes barely is FL, like right now AG TS1 Jins seren FL hasn't even been here for 2 weeks or so and that will probably happen to this game as well the cape is good enough and with more special effects it will become more desirable and most people will definitely go for it just for the effects. So really this talk about FL getting more is dumb be happy you get a cape and not just the right to announce.

nokturnus992
02-20-2009, 03:13 PM
here we go~